On 04:40, Fernando Cassia wrote: Who was the genius that decided that system-config-network-tui should NOT be part of the base CentOS 6.3 install?? Not to mention it has insane deps like wifi firmware packages. Not really if all you want to do is configure eth0 from the command line. /sbin/ifconfig eth0 w.x.y.z netmask v.v.v.0 /sbin/route add default gw a.b.c.d echo nameserver e.f.g.h /etc/resolv.conf echo nameserver i.j.k.l /etc/resolv.conf - Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 7983 877438 CentOS mailing list. On 12:34, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Giles Coochey wrote: echo nameserver e.f.g.h /etc/resolv.conf echo nameserver i.j.k.l /etc/resolv.conf Yes I know BUT for that I have to THINK.
Screens and input fields ie type tab tab tab enter type tab tab tab enter are what is known as 'user friendly' since the MS-DOS 5.0 setup.exe onwards. After having built a number of machines, I kind of rattle off that by heart, just enough to then do a: yum install system-config-network-tui after a minimal install.
But, yes, you're right, it was a minor annoyance. Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 7983 877438 CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: do not install servers if you are refuse to think really! Why create GUI installers then? Let's just package a tarball and let users unpack it manually. In fact, are you advocating for the removal of system-config-network-tui? How about removal of all non-modal text editors like joe?
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Let's force everyone to 'think' in 'vi'. Unfortunately, according to folks who have more knowledge than I do about these things, in later versions of Fedora, and therefore, probably the next version or so of RH, just manually editing sysconfig/network-scripts will overlook some necessary parts. System-config-network-tui may wind up becoming necessary. Through RH 5.x it was enough to manually edit the necessary files. However, in later versions of Fedora, this may cause errors because there will be some other scripts or files elsewhere, that system-config-network-tui manipulates. Meanwhile, Fedora is trying to make NetworkManager the default interface handler, (and there is apparently a command line version.) I know I'm old and cranky, but to me, it just seems like those meddlesome kids with their newfangled smartphones and touch screens are taking over development, and that many of them just don't care about the sysadmin portion of use.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Scott Robbins wrote: Unfortunately, according to folks who have more knowledge than I do about these things, in later versions of Fedora, and therefore, probably the next version or so of RH, just manually editing sysconfig/network-scripts will overlook some necessary parts. system-config-network-tui may wind up becoming necessary. My point is simple: I install the base config. I'm in text mode. I need networking to work to install extra packages and begin setting up my system, users, permissions, packages, etc. I have no problem doing that manually AFTER I get the system up and running (and by 'running' I mean 'having network connectivity').
Having me edit config files manually is an.annoyance. ONCE I get networking up and running. I have no problem editing config files, because by then, with networking enabled, I'd have installed my favorite tools (joe editor etc). My point being that if the networking stack is part of the base OS install, so should be system-config-network-tui FC CentOS mailing list. Unfortunately, according to folks who have more knowledge than I do about these things, in later versions of Fedora, and thereforeprobably the next version or so of RH, just manually editing sysconfig/network-scripts will overlook some necessary parts.
system-config-network-tui may wind up becoming necessary. Through RH 5.x it was enough to manually edit the necessary files.
However, in later versions of Fedora, this may cause errors because there will be some other scripts or files elsewhere, that system-config-network-tui manipulates. Meanwhile, Fedora is trying to make NetworkManager the default interface handler, (and there is apparently a command line version.) I know I'm old and cranky, but to me, it just seems like those meddlesome kids with their newfangled smartphones and touch screens are taking over development, and that many of them just don't care about the sysadmin portion of use. Interestingly, even when I use system-config-network-tui (at least on CentOS 6.2) I still had to manually edit the ONBOOT network parameter in /etc/sysconfig for my Ethernet to be enabled at startup. Not sure if there is something in the menu system that would do that for me. Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 7983 877438 CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: PS: I had forgotten about echo. Good enough for saving me from the vi madness.
(I know, I know, esc i blah blah esc:w but still, I REFUSE -it's a matter of principle not to use vi;-) How can anyone deal with command lines and not love vi? Think of it as a set of commands to change text. Even what most people call insert 'mode' is a command that takes an optional repeat count: try 20i - to get a dashed line. Maybe being old enough to have used keyboards without arrows or function keys helps, though. Les Mikesell CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:55:07AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: My point being that if the networking stack is part of the base OS install, so should be system-config-network-tui No.
A 'tui' is a pretty user interface. It's not necessary for the functioning nor configuration of the operating system; it's a 'ease of use' tool. Nothing more, nothing less. In Other Words: it's an optional component. Yes, let's go back to the days of typing the boot code in hex to get the system started.
It's all optional. Les Mikesell CentOS mailing list. On Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:55:07 AM Fernando Cassia wrote: My point is simple: I install the base config. I'm in text mode. I need networking to work to install extra packages and begin setting up my system, users, permissions, packages, etc.
I have no problem doing that manually AFTER I get the system up and running (and by 'running' I mean 'having network connectivity'). Having me edit config files manually is an.annoyance. The way it's supposed to be done is to set up networking during install.
The GUI installer has a button, that is clearly labeled, during install. You set it up to connect automatically, and be active for all users, and it starts even in text mode during boot up. The text installer is effectively deprecated; if you want/need to do, say, a serial console install you're supposed to do a VNC install and run the GUI remotely over a VNC session (the serial console/text mode handler will do enough network configuration to get the GUI installer running over VNC). Barring that, if the 'Desktop' package set is installed (I last did this with 6.1, so it may be different now) with certain server packages also installed (no, I don't have a rigorous package set to quote, that's left as an exercise for the reader as I'm not going to do your homework for you on that one.) the system will come up in runlevel 3, but will bring up a text mode firstboot that includes a text mode network configurator. While it would be interesting to see the exact package set that triggers this, I have not had the time nor the motivation to do that myself, just going by what happened when I installed some boxes a while back. CentOS mailing list.
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On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Stephen Harris wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 11:55:07AM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: My point being that if the networking stack is part of the base OS install, so should be system-config-network-tui No. A 'tui' is a pretty user interface. It's not necessary for the functioning nor configuration of the operating system; it's a 'ease of use' tool. Nothing more, nothing less. In Other Words: it's an optional component. Yes, let's go back to the days of typing the boot code in hex to get the system started. It's all optional.
That's a non-sequitor. If anything, a 'tui' is closer to boot strapping by hand entering hex. It's a user interfce.
A modern machine doesn't need assistance in booting. If you do it properly it also doesn't need assistance in network configuration.
It 'just works'. If you were going to argue that 'text editors should be optional by this argument' then you'd have a really good point.
Indeed I might agree with that. Counter argument: at least one text editor ('vi'?) is pretty much a BAU tool on every machine, so it makes sense to include it. System-config-network-tui is not a BAU tool; it doesn't fill the same gap. Remember the 'E' in RHEL. Es (in my place we have around 40,000 RHEL installs) configure networking during the build phase. Our standard install doesn't include this unnecessary component.
rgds Stephen CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Even what most people call insert 'mode' is a command that takes an optional repeat count: try 20i - to get a dashed line. Maybe being old enough to have used keyboards without arrows or function keys helps, though. Sorry, I grew with DR-DOS and the Wordstar hotkeys. Ie Ctrl-K-B Ctrl-K-K (mark text block). It's engraved in my brain cells.
That's why I use Joe. Or 'pico' back in the days of Caldera OpenLinux 2.3. FC CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: Remember the 'E' in RHEL. Es (in my place we have around 40,000 RHEL installs) configure networking during the build phase.
Our standard install doesn't include this unnecessary component. OK I'm a SOHO with a single server trying to setup a VM.
What you're saying is that RHEL/CentOS should not care about my needs because there's a Good Reason(TM) for the way things currently are. FC CentOS mailing list. On 16:26, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: Remember the 'E' in RHEL. Es (in my place we have around 40,000 RHEL installs) configure networking during the build phase. Our standard install doesn't include this unnecessary component. OK I'm a SOHO with a single server trying to setup a VM.
What you're saying is that RHEL/CentOS should not care about my needs because there's a Good Reason(TM) for the way things currently are. We won't have this problem with IPv6. Regards, Giles Coochey, CCNA, CCNAS NetSecSpec Ltd +44 (0) 7983 877438 CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Stephen Harris wrote: Remember the 'E' in RHEL. Es (in my place we have around 40,000 RHEL installs) configure networking during the build phase.
Our standard install doesn't include this unnecessary component. OK I'm a SOHO with a single server trying to setup a VM. What you're saying is that RHEL/CentOS should not care about my needs because there's a Good Reason(TM) for the way things currently are. Basically, small environments will/should have DHCP service so you don't do individual interface configuration at all (or you configure the DHCP server to give a known IP to your MAC address if you need that) and larger ones will need something that can be automated. So even though I agree with you strongly that there should be a simple text mode fill-in-the-form way to set up an interface that hides the magic OS-specific script hints, I understand why nobody considers it important.
So my practical advice is to get a SOHO router that does DHCP if you don't already have one, and if you do have one, configure it to give out the IP you want instead of fighting with the Centos setup. Les Mikesell CentOS mailing list. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Les Mikesell wrote: Even what most people call insert 'mode' is a command that takes an optional repeat count: try 20i - to get a dashed line. Maybe being old enough to have used keyboards without arrows or function keys helps, though. Sorry, I grew with DR-DOS and the Wordstar hotkeys.
Ie Ctrl-K-B Ctrl-K-K (mark text block). It's engraved in my brain cells. I loathed Wordstar. The first word processor I ever voluntarily used, and still prefer to Dirt, er, Word, was WordPerfect 5. That was.useable. That's why I use Joe. Or 'pico' back in the days of Caldera OpenLinux 2.3.
Emacs is a great (I suppose) windowing operating system masquerading as a text editor. Wonder if I could configure the.best. text editor ever to run under wine: brief. Mark.
My old criteria for evaluating a word processor: since the primary function of a word processor is to replace a typewriter, if I couldn't sit down and write and print out a letter inside of 5 min, then its interface and bells & whistles have overwhelmed its primary function. Btw, in -'95. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: there is nothing wrong in CentOS or Fedora Of course, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a 'problem'. A 'problem' is a crashing kernel or buggy drivers. My opinion after this experience is that it'd help for CentOS to include system-config-network-tui as part of the base install.
That is my honest opinion about this experience. It'd have saved me from some minor annoyance, albeit an annoyance nonetheless. Just think the opposite: what would be the expense-damage of including it as part of the base install? Break the OS 2. Make things easier for people who end up in the same situation I did. Affect the balance of the Universe.;) Your choice.
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